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hello

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and welcome to episode number 18 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i'm your host exo academian

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not all that long ago it seems the

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notion that our world

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may actually be a simulation a massively

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and masterly orchestrated

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virtual reality seemed a notion best

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left to science fiction writers

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in fact the idea didn't even really gain

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traction

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until our own video game technology

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rendered with high definition

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graphics cards and powered by code bases

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that included

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full-on physics engines grew to be so

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immersive

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and realistic that people began

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extrapolating outwards

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wondering if one day perhaps a

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technologically advanced enough

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civilization

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could actually render an entire universe

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one so all-encompassing

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that even the participants would be

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fooled into believing it was

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believe it or not today this notion is

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taken very seriously

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by philosophers and physicists alike

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and it's not just because we've been

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inspired by the remarkable increase in

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the reality

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and capacities of our own digital

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creations

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no even more central to the growth of

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this idea

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are hints that have been found

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breadcrumbs found along the trail if you

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by observations made on the quantum

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level of reality

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the implications of these observations

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are truly mind-blowing

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indeed these very revelations led

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world-renowned

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physicist niels bohr to famously say

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if quantum mechanics hasn't profoundly

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shocked you

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you haven't understood it yet unquote

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ultimately these astounding findings

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bring into question the very fabric

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in modern plays on this notion of

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television shows like westworld depict

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the inner workings of the ai

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driven robots not surprisingly

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many a ufo enthusiast has noticed how

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such scenes seem to be to the reported

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by apparently alien intelligences who

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reportedly make alterations on their own

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and perhaps even more tellingly many of

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these experiencers report

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after the fact feeling that the realm of

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whether that be on board a supposed ufo

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actually feels more real than our own

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everyday waking existence

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indeed near-death experiencers report

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and beyond the issue of contact and or

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the very way these others these

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evidently non-human intelligences

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are able to apparently effortlessly

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our observed laws of physics while they

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make their rare appearances within our

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has led some to postulate that perhaps

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our world is a simulation

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and they the architects how is it that

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they seemingly pass through

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solid walls like passing through air

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often taking us along with them and how

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do they pilot craft that seem immune to

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the very effects of gravity itself

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almost as if they're operating within

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of these others who are often understood

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or demons and sometimes even gods the

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depending on your point of view

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this confounding complexity leads us to

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such as what is the reality status of

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and what is truly central to existence

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what role does matter energy and pure

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the ultimate engine of parallel virtual

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these truly mind-bending and potentially

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paradigm-crashing questions

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as we begin today's podcast i would just

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ask that you keep an

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open mind when it comes to this notion

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that we may live within a virtual

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let's begin by discussing nick bostrom's

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simulation hypothesis

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he suggested that one of three

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possibilities must be the case

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number one all human-like civilizations

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in the universe go extinct before they

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develop the technological capacity

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to create simulated realities

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number two if any civilizations do reach

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this phase of technological maturity

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none of them will bother to run

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or three advanced civilizations would

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have the ability to create

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many many simulations and that means

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more simulated worlds than non-simulated

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they thought wait a second what the

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numbers basically are telling us is

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it's much more likely we live in a

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simulated universe than a real one

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or so the argument goes but let's step

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let's begin by talking about how we

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how we experience what we think is real

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the truth is how we experience reality

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on a rendering given to us by our body

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they show us that our experience of

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reality is an interpretation

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accurate and ironically even objectively

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after the fact doesn't necessarily stop

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something else seems to be going on

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experience tells us that something seems

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cooked into reality so to speak and we

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this is when people experience a bizarre

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alignment of events

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that seem to be too coincidental to be

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when the same black cat shows up twice

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this because i assumed there was nothing

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but apparently skeptics that have looked

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into this have found that there are

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reality and of course this makes no

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mechanistic model of the world let me

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when people happen to be born at the

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finally we have the mandela effect the

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notion that large groups of people

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reportedly share the same false memories

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about historical events that we have no

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that at different levels of

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they look remarkably similar almost like

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repeating pattern and again if you were

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making a computer simulation you would

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to save memory sounds strange but we see

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still not convinced let's carry on and

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we have no experience of reality apart

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from our interpretation of it

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it suggests that reality as we think

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doesn't actually even exist beyond our

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well this is exactly what we were

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who said again if quantum mechanics

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implications of the famous

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double slit experiment which was

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but the same truth the same result bears

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time and time again when we have

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uncertainty in outcomes what we find is

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whether something is a particle or a

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wave all we have

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are probability distributions which

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again

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sounds a lot more like code that is

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and what causes the code to execute you

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might ask

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well it's consciousness observing what

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we call

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reality when we look when we take a

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measurement

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that's when the code executes and that

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probability distribution

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resolves into one thing or another

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that's when we have a collapse of the

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wave function as it's called

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bizarre but true again if you don't know

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about this i highly recommend you look

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into it

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the implications for reality are

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now a little bit more about my

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background here and how i relate to this

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in addition to having an interest in and

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having studied at the academic level

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things like philosophy consciousness

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psychology

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religious studies my background is also

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in software engineering so i understand

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how this works from an

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engineering point of view when you

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create these kinds of programs

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you don't actually execute code unless

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you have to

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because that saves memory again like we

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discussed before

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and this double slit experiment which

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tells us about reality at its

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foundational level

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as i said these results were initially

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found in the early 20th century

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and we've really spent the next 100

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years coming to grips with

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the implications of this in terms of our

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model of reality

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the truth is even today many scientists

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still don't want to deal with this

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directly

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they either call it weird science

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meaning it will ultimately be proven

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false

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or incomplete although that's a faith

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statement there's no

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logic suggesting that should be the case

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or they say something dismissive like it

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only works on a micro scale

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which again doesn't have a lot of

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logical coherence to it

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those who do take it seriously and there

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are more and more people

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in this camp end up with a conclusion

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very similar to the simulation

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hypothesis

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this notion that our reality may

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actually be virtual

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that we may be within a simulation has

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gained a lot of credibility

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over the last 20 years and even more

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specifically

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over the last decade and not just

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because of scientific findings

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although that is the primary driver but

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also because

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our imaginations can go there as a

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result of what we've seen

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with video games we've seen simulated

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realities

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increasingly all-encompassing

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and convincing and we now are at the

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point where we can imagine

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that eventually you would get to the

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point that you could render something so

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realistic

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that participants couldn't tell the

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earlier on we discussed the television

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show westworld

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which deals with this virtual reality

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notion

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devs is another series that was on

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recently that really pursues this idea

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to the nth degree

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and basically the notion is it's all

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about big data

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if you have enough data then you can

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render

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anything you can be so all-encompassing

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so complete

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that the participants would have no way

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of recognizing the difference between

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a real reality and a simulated one

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now again you may find this a bridge too

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far

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you may think that is unrealistic but

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you have to reckon with

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these findings from the double slit

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experiment and other

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experiments run on quantum reality

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they tell us this is the case they are

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hinting at a reality that is simulated

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that only renders when consciousness

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interacts with it

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okay so i think we've sufficiently set

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the table

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i'd like to now move on to the figure of

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tom campbell

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he's someone who began

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as a very left-brained individual he was

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a physicist and again if you don't know

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physicist's primary job is to model

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reality

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what's fascinating about tom campbell

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is that he approaches out-of-body

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experiences

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as a scientist he has them and he uses

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them to run experiments

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he enters those states and then plays

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with variables

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to test various hypotheses about

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ultimate reality

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reality beyond the simulation that we

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live within in our waking world

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as a result he's been able to fine-tune

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his understanding

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now tom campbell's journey into these

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particular topics began

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when he volunteered to be a scientist

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who would help bob monroe

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run experiments on out-of-body

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experiences

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now for those of you not familiar bob

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monroe

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became widely known as a pioneering

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explorer of human consciousness

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and out-of-body experiences his

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well-documented and thorough research

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beginning in the 1950s produced evidence

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that specific audio patterns

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have predictable beneficial effects on

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human capabilities

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not only in terms of aiding endeavors

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such as achieving a good night's sleep

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but also for evoking expanded states of

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now initially tong campbell's role was

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that of an objective researcher

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he would set up the experiments to try

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and help bob monroe demonstrate

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objectively that out-of-body experiences

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were real

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and not just a figment of his

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imagination

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but eventually campbell became an active

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participant

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when he became aware that he was very

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good at having these out-of-body

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experiences

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to make a long story short what campbell

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ultimately found

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after testing various hypotheses by

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adjusting variables

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as i discussed earlier is that we are

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more like

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avatars within a virtual reality we are

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like the characters in a video game

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and what or who is ultimately playing

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these roles

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is our non-local consciousness which

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said another way is the consciousness

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that exists outside

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and of course for those of you who have

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been tuning in to the point of

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convergence podcast

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for a while now this starts to sound

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very familiar

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it sounds a lot like rudy shield and

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edgar mitchell's work

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regarding the quantum hologram

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and like rudy shield and edgar mitchell

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tom campbell

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came to see our universe as

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foundationally informational

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not material as scientific materialism

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would have you believe

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he also postulates that this notion this

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different framing of reality

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as virtual helps explain questions

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across a variety of domains

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including physics which again is the

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modeling of reality

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philosophy regarding the meaning of

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reality

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and psychology in other words how does

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consciousness

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now it's interesting when you hear tom

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campbell speak because he still talks

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like a physicist

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he talks in left brain terms even though

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he's talking about very spiritual

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energetic topics he says the goal of the

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system which creates the virtual reality

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is to reduce entropy which you can think

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of as randomization

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while increasing harmony ego

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which stems from fear according to

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campbell

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increases entropy whereas love the

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opposite of fear

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or what remains when all fear is removed

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reduces entropy

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now leaving aside for a moment the

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question of who is this system

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what is the system that causes the

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simulation is it god

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is it a another alien civilization is it

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the life force or something else

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we can see how this might work that

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repeated lifetimes reincarnation

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are like iterations of a simulation and

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that

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we consciousness are put into these

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roles we play these avatars for a period

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of time

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80 to 100 years sometimes less so that

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we run into resistance

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and learn lessons and change we reduce

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our own entropy

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meaning we become more loving peaceful

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cooperative people

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and the entire system learns and self

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updates

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because of this this is the self

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discovering

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auto correcting cosmos we've talked

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about before

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now according to campbell's hypothesis

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which again he says he's tested

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and found to be accurate there's

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different ways of looking at

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self-identity we have some degree of

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identity

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in this particular iteration this

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lifetime

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we also are a unit of consciousness

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within the totality

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outside of the simulation that's our

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non-local consciousness

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and then there is the entire system that

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is

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ultimately an illusion

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just like buddhism would teach you we

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are the oneness

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behind the simulation ultimately whether

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you call us

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the creation of god that is part of the

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assimilation

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or an extension of god him or herself

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itself

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that's what's happening there's

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different levels of identity

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that even when we go on to different

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iterations different lifetimes

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the cosmic database you could call it

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still contains

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all of the information thoughts feelings

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events from

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every person's life every iteration of a

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person

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and all that information is kept it's

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never lost

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but we go on into new iterations to

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continue to learn

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and that's campbell's hypothesis in a

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nutshell

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how he looks at the simulation

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hypothesis

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he believes we are living in a

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simulation but that we have

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consciousness that ultimately originates

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outside the simulation

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but then we're left with the question

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how does this apply to the phenomenon

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well first off many experiencers report

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being told

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about a larger reality that remarkably

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resembles

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that which tom campbell describes from

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his own experiments

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those of you who've been tuning in

590
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:04,640
throughout the podcast episodes

591
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,440
will remember experiencers talking about

592
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:09,440
previous lifetimes and learning about

593
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:10,080
that

594
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in a kind of life review on board a ufo

595
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:14,559
craft apparently

596
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:16,240
in the same way that one learns about

597
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,000
this in a near-death experience

598
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:20,159
or sometimes an out-of-body experience

599
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,630
you might also recall that many of these

600
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experiencers whether they are

601
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,720
contact experiencers or near-death

602
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,000
experiencers

603
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,240
you'll remember that they often describe

604
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the reality they go to the realm they go

605
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to

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in these different states of

607
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,360
consciousness as feeling more real

608
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:43,360
more substantial than our everyday

609
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waking world

610
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and one might expect this is exactly

611
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what you would find

612
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if you were able to exit the simulation

613
00:22:56,310 --> 00:22:54,400
even for a period of time

614
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,320
now in the introduction to today's

615
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,240
episode we also discussed

616
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how the others can seemingly pass

617
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,000
through solid walls

618
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:04,320
effortlessly and they can take us with

619
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:05,360
them

620
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,159
how is this accomplished now when we

621
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:09,840
bang our heads against the wall

622
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:13,120
it hurts therefore we assume that wall

623
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,240
is real our experience of its

624
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:19,039
solidity communicated through our pain

625
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,640
tells us so

626
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,120
but science tells us the chair or the

627
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:25,200
wall that we're banging our head against

628
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:28,320
is mostly empty space that really it's

629
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:30,400
this shared vibration or a field of

630
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,520
coherence

631
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:34,000
of its loosely aligned component parts

632
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:34,720
that make it

633
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:38,080
appear real to us both in terms of touch

634
00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:41,520
and vision but even that notion only

635
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:44,640
gets us part of the way to the truth

636
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:47,120
really this is even a misunderstanding

637
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,320
the truth is that

638
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:50,240
apart from our perception of it the

639
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:51,919
chair or the wall

640
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:55,600
has no reality whatsoever like the young

641
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:56,480
savant

642
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,919
tells neo in the matrix quote do not try

643
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:01,120
and bend the spoon

644
00:24:05,830 --> 00:24:04,400
that's impossible instead only try to

645
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:05,840
realize the truth

646
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,640
there is no spoon then you'll see that

647
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:10,480
it is not the spoon that bends

648
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:17,830
now as we've discussed in other podcast

649
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,640
episodes

650
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,400
when people are in the realm of the

651
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,080
others when they are

652
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,799
interacting with non-human intelligence

653
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:26,720
they become aware of an aspect of

654
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,880
themselves that goes beyond the current

655
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:30,000
iteration

656
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:31,840
they experience their more complete

657
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,720
reality beyond the simulation

658
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,400
and they come to remember in fact that

659
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:37,919
they volunteered

660
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:40,480
for this iteration even if it feels

661
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,120
difficult

662
00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:42,720
in the moment when they are immersed in

663
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,240
it

664
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:46,559
yes the truth is just like a good weight

665
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:47,520
training program

666
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,480
resistance is key to progress that's why

667
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,039
we volunteer to go into this lifetime

668
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,760
incarnate into a human body to learn and

669
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,600
grow

670
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,279
just like those who are really serious

671
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:01,440
about learning a new language have found

672
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:04,320
immersion is always the fastest surest

673
00:25:07,909 --> 00:25:04,720
way

674
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,919
to master a language the same works for

675
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:09,840
evolution of consciousness

676
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:12,400
if it didn't feel real it wouldn't play

677
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,480
the role of providing resistance the way

678
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:15,919
we need it to

679
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:23,350
now in terms of addressing the question

680
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,799
we put aside earlier

681
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,480
in terms of who is ultimately

682
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,480
responsible for the simulation

683
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:31,360
that we exist within i see at least

684
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:31,760
three

685
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:35,200
options number one we are part of a

686
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,000
simulation

687
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:38,640
run by an alien intelligence that is a

688
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:40,840
more sophisticated

689
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,120
civilization number two

690
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:46,080
is we just find that reality works this

691
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:47,120
way

692
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:50,000
reality is primarily about information

693
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:51,360
full stop

694
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:54,080
therefore the cosmic intelligence or god

695
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,039
if you will

696
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:56,960
connecting all of the universes within

697
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,159
the multiverse

698
00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,240
simply designed the creation to work

699
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:02,960
this way to create an ever evolving ever

700
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:03,919
more conscious

701
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:06,720
and cooperative totality and in that

702
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,440
sense

703
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,200
the various universes within the

704
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:11,039
multiverse would be different

705
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,070
i also think there's a third option

706
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:20,159
although i find not many people consider

707
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:20,640
this

708
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,840
but i find it particularly

709
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,080
it's also possible in my mind that

710
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,080
higher intelligences that is

711
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,240
alien civilizations more sophisticated

712
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,320
than us both technologically

713
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:34,559
and in terms of understanding

714
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,080
consciousness

715
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,400
have acted as agents of the creative

716
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:41,039
source i.e the cosmic intelligence or

717
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:41,919
god

718
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:45,440
and they have created us ultimately in

719
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:47,120
my mind that doesn't make us

720
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:50,320
any less real and remember ultimately

721
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,430
so after being presented with this

722
00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,520
evidence today what do you think

723
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,279
do you think it's possible we are living

724
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,880
in a simulation

725
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,720
do you think it's possible we are within

726
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,240
a virtual reality

727
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,799
that our actual consciousness is

728
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:10,880
non-local and that what we experience

729
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:13,760
here in our everyday lives is just an

730
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:14,799
avatar

731
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,840
a character in a kind of video game

732
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,159
that is here to learn both as an

733
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,080
individual and then contribute that

734
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:24,559
learning to the totality

735
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,000
intriguing questions but if it is true

736
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:30,000
that this is a simulation but a

737
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,360
meaningful one

738
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:33,840
the question becomes how will you live

739
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:34,640
differently

740
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:37,120
that's a question i ask myself after

741
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,470
and on that note we've come to the close

742
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:45,760
of another edition

743
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:48,480
of the point of convergence podcast as

744
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,120
always

745
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:51,440
let's keep this conversation going and

746
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,399
growing

747
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:54,640
please continue to spread the word tell

748
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:55,919
your friends about this show if you

749
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,039
think they'd be interested

750
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,039
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00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,440
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752
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,120
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00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:05,600
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755
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,760
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758
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but until next time friends from deep

759
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:17,120
within the blue ridge mountains

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